Guide · 4 min read

Signs a commutator needs replacing

Burnt bars, wear below the mica, flat spots, loose segments: when to replace rather than skim.

A commutator wears every time the brushes pass over it. Most can be skimmed in a lathe once or twice; eventually there is not enough copper left, or the damage is the kind skimming does not fix. These are the signs that it is time for a new one.

Replace it when you see

Copper worn down to the mica

The mica between the segments is undercut slightly below the copper. Once the copper has worn down to the mica level the brushes bounce, arc and wear fast. If the brush surface is already thin, another skim will leave too little copper for the next set of brushes.

Burnt or blackened bars

One or two dark bars, evenly spaced, usually mean an open or shorted winding rather than a commutator fault, and a new commutator will not cure it on its own. All the bars burnt, or a band of heavy pitting, is heat damage to the commutator and it should be replaced.

Raised, loose or sunken segments

Run a fingernail round the surface. Any bar that stands proud, rocks or sits low has lost its grip in the moulding or the mica has broken down. This cannot be machined out and will destroy brushes quickly.

Flat spots and ovality

A flat spot where the brushes have sat while the machine was parked, or an out-of-round surface you can see with a dial gauge, can sometimes be skimmed. If skimming would take the diameter below the maker's minimum, replace.

Cracked or failed moulding

Cracks in the insulating body at the ends, or a commutator that has shifted on the shaft, mean the part is finished.

Brush symptoms that point at the commutator

  • New brushes wearing out in weeks
  • Heavy sparking at the brushes under load
  • Black dust packed into the slots soon after cleaning
  • A starter that spins but is slow or weak with a good battery and good cables

Skim, replace, or new armature?

SituationUsual answer
Light scoring, plenty of copper, windings test goodSkim and undercut
Copper at or near the mica, bars loose, moulding crackedNew commutator on the existing armature
Commutator worn and windings burnt or openRewind with a new commutator, or a new armature if available
Obsolete unit, no armature availableNew commutator, made to measure if needed
A new commutator is a fraction of the cost of an armature and keeps a known-good winding in service. For older and obsolete starters it is usually the only option.

Next step

If yours is on the replace list, measure it and send us the numbers, or pick the size from the standard range. If you are not sure, email us a photo and we will tell you what we see.

Got a drawing, or just the old part? Send it over.

A drawing in any format, or photos of the old commutator with its dimensions, is enough for us to quote. Use the form or email it. We reply to every enquiry within one working day.

Monday to Friday, 8.30am to 5pm. Richmond, Surrey.